Tolerance??! No Churches in Saudi Arabia!

Tolerance??! No Churches in Saudi Arabia!

Can I Build a Church or Synagogue in Saudi Arabia?

Nooooo….

Saudi Arabia does not Allow Christians/Jews to Practice their Faith Openly!
WTH?

The notion of reciprocity as a tenet of tolerance and acceptance has been consistently violated by Saudi Arabia. No one country presents the greatest contradictions within a hypocritical tenet of Salafist Islam than Saudi Arabia.

Muslims all over the world are demanding equal rights to practice their own religion as part of any civil society. However, when I went to Saudi Arabia decades ago, I could not find a Church, Synagogue, or Temple. I knew from the very beginning of my venture that there be no Churches, Synagogues, or Temples [Hindu/Buddhist]. Saudi Arabia is the epitome of intolerance and hypocrisy.

When it demands reciprocity of faith, they forget that no so-called, “infidel” is allowed to make a ‘haj’ in Mecca or Medina. Yet if Saudi citizen demands to have a Mosque in Century City, Los Angeles, the Saudis are all over the place [with money/petitions] like white on rice.

Ironically, Jews are forbidden to pray in Saudi Arabia [let alone go in with an Israeli passport] yet Jews were in Saudi Arabia long before the Muslims.

Scary but true!

By the 2nd Century AD, there were  a considerable number of Jews in Hejaz. Dhu Nuwas was a very aggressive leader who converted his subjects to Judaism, the precursor of Christianity and Islam.There were three major tribes in Medina way before the rise of Islam. They were the Banu Nadir, Banu Quainuqa, and Banu Qurayza.

Mohammed’s forced conversion by the sword pre-empted the rise of either Judaism or Christianity. Now hear the false statements of Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who said the following:

“There are lots of Christian Churches and Synagogues in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Indonesia, Qatar, and Kuwait…”

Wrong!

I have travelled extensively through Shi’ite Iran, and the only Jews who were allowed to pray in the open were a group of men on Friday morning in Isfahan. They sang an Iranian song which concealed the Hebrew Prayers for our own divinity…. “Aveenoo Malkanu” [Our Father, Our Lord].

The main Christian Churches in Iran are the following [Wikipedia]:

  • Armenian Apostolic Church of Iran [ancient,110,000 members].
  • Assyrian Church of East Iran [ ancient, 11000 members].
  • Chaldean Catholic Church of Iran [ ancient, 4000 members].
  • Roman Catholic Church of Iran [ 22,000 members].

There are no recent Protestant, Episcopalian, Baptist, Evangelical Churches anywhere in Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, or any other Muslim country. My extended family who have lived in Turkey for over four hundred years can testify that under  President Erdogan the number of Jews went from 20,000 to fewer than 10,000 in only a few short years. The rest of them moved into Israel.

Jordan has had an extensive history of Christianity going back to the 1st Century AD. The majority of Christian in Jordan are Greek Orthodox; estimated to be around 300,000. Fortunately, because of them the Hashemite Kingdom tolerates a high degree of freedom in regards to Christians. As of 2006, there were no Jews in Jordan.

In the wealthy state of Qatar [4,254 square miles], Sunni Muslims are 90 per cent of the population and 10 per cent are Shi’a Muslims. Most non-citizens are Hindus, Buddhists, Bahai, and Christians [about 100,000]. Once again, no other religion other than Islam is allowed to proselytize in Qatar. Like most Muslim countries, Qatar considers it a major sin if a Muslim converts to another religion. It is called, “APOSTASY”!

Whenever a Muslim demands equal rights in America or in the EU, please ask him/her what other religions are allowed in his/her respective country.

Like Queen Latifah says in the brilliant musical, “Chicago”, Reciprocity is about the following:

“The systems works it’s called reciprocity…

When you’re good to Mama, Mama is good to you..

You do one favor for Mama, She will do one for you.” 

Followers of Islam: if you are good to Judaism, Christianity, Hindu, Buddhists, Bahai’s, Atheists and Agnostics…. Then we, Americans, will be good to you! Otherwise, please don’t ask for something you would never grant us in your country.

Remember Reciprocity!!! Otherwise, we call it HYPOCRISY!!!!

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36 thoughts on “Tolerance??! No Churches in Saudi Arabia!

  1. […] Source: Tolerance??! No Churches in Saudi Arabia! – STEVE PIECZENIK TALKS […]

  2. Chia Cha

    There are terrorists using religion in USA also (and such inbred genetics should be exterminated physically, together with offspring). Therefore unless such are gone, Muslims are 100% right not wanting to have churches built. Not even one member of muslim culture is able to produce such diarrhea, therefore they are on much higher level then US anti-theist society, therefore they have full right to protect their kids from sick sociopathic influence US society is producing daily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMiJXKrcmt8

    1. Chia Cha

      In this case above we can see anti-theist policy of US government especially targeting (mocking) christianity. We have inbred republican intentionally misquoting bible for daily politics, and then “atheist” ottoman person protecting you from such. And than another 120,000 people who watched that video, becoming eastern pagan in service of chinese communist pagans and their pagan US capitalist agents. 🙂 Typical power racket.

  3. Ivan K.

    – Tolerance??! No Churches in Saudi Arabia!

    FWIW, Islam at large can hardly be represented by a Salafist/Wahhabist tyranny.

    – There are no recent Protestant, Episcopalian, Baptist, Evangelical Churches anywhere in Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, or any other Muslim country.

    1. I wish to see a reference to a study that has established that fact. 2. If there were, what would be the reasons for it? Is there a spread of Christianity in those countries? Why is a spread of Christianity in Muslim countries taken as a default expectation?
    3. I just searched online for new church buildings in Indonesia, so your claim is false.

    – Followers of Islam: if you are good to Judaism, Christianity, Hindu, Buddhists, Bahai’s, Atheists and Agnostics…. Then we, Americans, will be good to you! Otherwise, please don’t ask for something you would never grant us in your country.

    If it refers to individual conscience rather than state policy, I absolutely agree with that.
    I guess Russian, Irish and German citizens legitimately sought refuge from the tyranny or mayhem in their own countries.

    And, since you mention so much about Jews, well, there is Jewish intolerance to churches as well:
    – Church Building in Israel Set Ablaze Published: Nov. 4, 2010 by Wayne King
    – Jerusalem church vandalized with crude anti-Christian slogans By Daniel K. Eisenbud, jpost.com January 17, 2016
    – Shrine to Jesus in Israel ‘robbed and vandalised’ AFP October 25, 2016
    – MK (Member of the Knesset) Michael Ben-Ari (National Union Party) is shown ripping pages out of the New Testament in protest. His words: “This is a provocation by church missionaries and there is no doubt that this book and those who sent it belong in the garbage can of history.”

    1. Ivan K.

      By the way, I think that the high number of Muslim immigrants entering the United States is anomalous. That influx to America just shouldn’t happen, for a number of good reasons.

      1. Fivi Zogbi

        Given the choice, the vast majority of Muslims would have preferred to live among their own culture where their children will not be ‘perverted’ by the destruction of natural genders and sexual promiscuity.. It is far more likely Muslims have been driven West, like stampeding cattle, by both the terror inflicted upon them by either US soldiers or those financed by the US taxpayers who’ve destroyed their lives and their entire region and civilizations. Thus, they seek survival by coming to the west. Indeed, we may owe them what they’re getting.
        It’s also likely MOSSAD has used Mizrahim Jews or forced or bribed Arabs to incite the stampede to the west in order to cause greater chaos in the west and inflame hatred for Islam. None of what’s occurring is spontaneous or the choice of most Muslims. It’s time to acknowledge who’s really behind the forces DRIVING Muslims to the West. If young angry Muslim men still have testosterone and are outraged by what their families have endured – their outrage can be justified.

        1. Fivi Zogbi

          The fact that my above comment challenging the role of MOSSAD in the destruction of the middle east is “awaiting moderation” and then is not posted – then I accuse this site and its webmaster of hypocrisy!

  4. Chia Cha

    Like I said, there is no multiculturalism, on one territory, there can be only one culture. When you mix two cultures on one territory you do not get multiculturalism, you get one mixed culture. Cultures accomodate others. Culture of keeping doors opened on houses is changed because capitalists decided that costs of ruling is lower when you put another criminal culture among such. Private property must be eforced, and you must be scared for it, and pay for security extra to you daddy. Nothing is allowed to be free.

  5. Fivi Zogbi

    To say there were Jews in Saudi Arabia before Islam is only partially accurate.
    I wonder if the term “Jew” needs to be defined. One cannot, I think, draw an equivalency with followers of the monotheistic ancient Israelite or Hebraic faith with modern Judaism as it defines Jews today. The Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jewish religions of today are varied but, more importantly, they were formalized in Europe in the mid 1800s. They incorporated parts of the ancient sociopolitical system, based on deism, that was practiced in the province of Judah prior to the exile by the Roman empire, but they were also created to meet the needs of European Jewry and those needs had evolved. Further, Judah is the source of the concept of Jew but that would require being a descendant of the ancient tribe of Judah or those who resided in the land designated as Judah.
    I will even go further and say that since Zionism has become a central part of the perception of what is a Jew, then modern Judaism is as much a political system as a religion and would be in conflict with the governing system of any country.
    You, yourself, give numerous examples of secular Zionists who have manipulated their power in US governmental roles to favor Israel’s agenda.
    It is important to remember than when the ancient monotheistic system emerged in Israel and Judah it was actually a system of government based on the notion of the divinity of kings – and perhaps where European monarchies may have derived the notion of divine rights.
    Nothing is the form of beliefs or ideas remains static – not even Islam even though Islam has retained its primordial disregard for infidels and the requirement they be butchered with god’s blessings.

  6. Fivi Zogbi

    Correction: where I wrote “deism” I should have typed “theism” since the ancients, as described in the Old Testament intervened and interacted with the people whom he’d reportedly designated at those chosen to do the work of the deity. He continually rewarded and punished them for their actions in response to his reported commands.

  7. Chia Cha

    I could not believe in moment I was reading Breitbart. People are ready for national-soc. revolution… Fascists are now 100% alone and isolated. Who is still supporting this congress??? Who are those people. Bannon is setting good direction, glows are off 😀 Rand Paul, Bannon, RD Steele, Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney and Trump, dream team… http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/13/cbo-report-ryan-plan-drops-number-of-insured-24-million-by-2026/

  8. Chia Cha

    Problem with muslims is that their religion is determining every aspect of their life. They are totalitarian in that sense. They eat what is for muslim, they dress like muslims, they act like muslims, they talk like muslims, they build like muslims, they work like muslims, they wage war like muslims… that is bad, they also believe they do not go to hell when they rape kids… problems, problems… 😀

  9. Ron Sanderson

    What a wonderful world it could be.

  10. Chia Cha

    People should understand that, communism, fascism and nazism are all products of capitalism, and capitalism is continuation of slavery. It is much more economical to have slave by having one, in way that one with lack of money you printed is more of slave to you, than having to feed and house one. Only opposition to capitalism is fedualism. But seeds of capitalism started very soon after feudalism was established, to be more precise when feud (land given by king to aristorcat who conqured land) was allowed to become inheritable. That was start of capitalism after Roman emperor Diocletian paved way for transition from slavery to feudalism.

  11. Fivi Zogbi

    Quoting from the essay by Dr. Pieczenik – “By the 2nd Century AD, there were a considerable number of Jews in Hejaz…” I am surprised no one else has remarked on this statement which is later followed by the declaration that failing to build churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia constitutes hypocrisy vs reciprocity. Arabs have never expounded reciprocity so they are not being hypocritical. On the contrary, Israel itself from its inception was a Jewish state that only accepted Christians as they were useful allies in western political systems. Israel was founded (informally) as a Bolshevik state that had three tiers of social classes and may even have formalized that in its citizenship. Ashkenazim were at the top of the hierarchy, followed by Sephardim, then the Mizrahim, and at the bottom of the pile were the long indigenous people who have been labelled Arabs – and who foolishly accepted that collective designation of “Arab”.
    By the 2nd century, Jews were actually killing Christians for being apostates. Christians up until the 4th or 5th century were massacred either by Jews or by Rome who used Christians for butchery circuses to appease the mobs of Rome. It was not until Rome could not defeat Christianity that Rome made Christianity the official religion of the empire.

    1. Chia Cha

      Muslims in beginning were smart, (while they were in military expansions), they were tolerant toward all religions who had their own religious holy book. Which is must if your plan is to conquer someone. Islam is geographical religion (middle east), because in middle east trade is important, and by Muhamed’s imagination, god is trader with whom you trade after you die. Same way how someone would put Court Cobain holding shoot gun as god, waiting for you… Therefore it is important to have vision when you are inventing your own religions. Muhamed obviously did not have enough imagination and his wife was too young to tell him.

      1. KozzmoKnight

        I’m going to tell you a secret, long ago there was a dispute as to the meaning of Christ. In this both sects agreed, Christ is the word of God. They argued at the divinity of Christ, and they formed two religions, Christian and Islam. the truth is in between. It is the Adam connection. God said be, and so Adam was, the word is the breath of God. The breath is the soul. And so Adam and God are one and yet separate. The breath is the spirit which unites them. So it is the trinity. As Islam says, god has no son, Christ was created by the word of god. Both are true. Adam condemned man by his knowledge of good and evil. the apple. yet it was the will of god, it is in genesis, it was the one day where it was not good or evil. It had to be that way. yet Adam could not die, he was a part of god, man was made in his image, woman his salvation. And yet, because it was adam who condemned mankind by original sin, only adam could redeem our souls. Adam is Christ reborn in the virgin mary. His love, the madgaline Mary, a prostitute, a virgin in the eyes of God, her sin to be subservient to man, a prostitute at his sin. In the eyes of god and Christ she was innocent. and so today, it is women who will be our salvation. I have seen these things. I died on the cross with Christ, call it stigmata. the final battle draws near. It is women that bring about the restoration of faith, and that is humanities only chance to survive.

        1. Chia Cha

          I was trying to tell that Buhahammad was pedophile. But, yes, God can do what ever he wants, he changed mind already once, he made decision to destroy humans with great flood, but then he changed mind and said to Noah, ok, save some there. I think that was change from reptilian age to more modern version of planet.

  12. Fivi Zogbi

    The 2nd century Jews (who were more likely genetically similar to Arabs, Persians, Egyptians and/or Hellenes), were hardly a paragon of democratic virtues to the region. Even then, those who adopted the Judean faith considered themselves the Chosen people of a unique covenant and thus others who were not adherents of that Hebraic covenant were considered to be mere cattle.
    I suggest if Dr. Pieczenik’s webmaster wrote this, that you may want to read objective historical accounts of the relationship of those of the Hebraic faith or system of self-governance vs that of the pagan or Christian tribes who occupied the same areas of the Hejaz. In fact, the Hejaz was the area of Ishamel who was already cheated of his birthright by a jealous wife of Abraham who cast him out to die in the desert along with his mother Hajar.

  13. Fivi Zogbi

    Religious stories report that god showed Ishmael and Hajar mercy and favor and assisted them to survive thirst and starvation despite the malicious jealousy of the Hebraic wife who first used Hajar’s womb when she was barren and it was convenient. Then she cast them out to die after some miraculous late impregnation that resulted in a second son who now claimed the inheritance of a people – that should have been that of Ishmael. That narrative would hardly encourage endearment towards ancient or contemporary Israel by those who have twice been cheated – first when Esau was cheated of his birthright and then Ishmael. Israel is merely a modern day continuation of an old narrative.
    More relevant to contemporary dialogue is that Saudi Arabia has never asked for nor requested reciprocity with non-Muslim countries regarding sites of worship. If the US portrays itself as multicultural and tolerant of multiple religions, that has never been a trait claimed by Saudi Arabis. Thus it would be incongruent for the West to assume the right to condemn Saudi Arabia if it preserves its own culture and does not practice cultural suicide and abide by our perceptions and impositions of reciprocity.

  14. Chia Cha

    From future history books under highest achievement of capitalism humanity will remember the most perfected institution of private assassin. Under highest achievement of communism, humanity will remember the most perfected institution of political prison. 😀

  15. Chia Cha

    There can be globalism only among western countries and our colonies, but any globalism among west and china and muslims is building up of china and muslims… therefore everyone supporting extended globalism is agent of chinese polit-bureau (their bureau-capitalists) and agent of Saladin or Ottoman empire… Angelina Jolie is chinese – capitalist ottoman bit@h, in homosexual relation with Jeb Bush and Billiam Clinton.

  16. Chia Cha

    Pedophilia is next, I am telling you, this Chris Cuomo is very very dangerous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0RvxC0hfHo

      1. Chia Cha

        Obama administration was administration of posers and nothing doers. Total zeros, total nothing, with Trump administration you know each one of them in first month. Go figure. I love how east is unable to ever reconfigure it selfe, their politicians always put flowers around them. But they all are satraps. All would be done already had Obama started putting flowers in meeting rooms, that would be end.

      2. Chia Cha

        To be honest I could not believe situation would be so good. These are wonderful news, right now, under muslim obama arresting pedophiles and liberating enslaved women was not possible in USA obviously. Whole culture was poisoned by cultural-Marxism who (Marx) was able to get accurate informations from Satan how his (Satan’s) capitalism works. Of course Marx was wrong to say that family is bad (we see his total idiocy there) and that there is no God. Only idiot can say there is no God, because no one is able to know that for sure. So Satan gave truthful info only to sell his two more important lies to people. Satan is unable to finish anything because he is split in it self so he cannot choose to finish with communism or with capitalism. Gods also adores to send Satan to people when they start believing hierarchy or some systems, to punish them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUqS8kjmGTE

  17. Chia Cha

    But let s not go euforic too much. There is also petro dollar, petro dollars are sold when their price is expensive, and bought back when they are cheap… Petro dollars goes up when you produce war in some oil rich country (white all ports are filled with your oil) and you put it down when companies filled with dollars decide to sell in same time all their oil tankers sitting near ports so you are able to buy oil cheap again. All that paying those americans, without fced up, without healthcare. Empire is expensive.

    1. Chia Cha

      Everyone trying to form alternative formative pool (trying to set own price) or dance other way is blown away, if without nukes. Alternative is communism, but then your needs are decided by central planners, and central planners always decide that you need to be protected from capitalists, therefore this nuclear waste polluting your drinking water is not so grave because member of polit-bureau who decided your needs thinks that sacrifice is worthy because we all are going to better off in inevitable incoming glorious and shiny future.

  18. Two wrongs do not make a right. If we are to be leaders of the free world then we must set the example. This is intrinsic to the teachings of Martin Luther king jr, Gandhi and Christ. At the heart of non violent protest is the prayer of all humanity.

    1. Chia Cha

      CNN (owned & controlled by rich only) supporting lies of fascist republican, let s be serious, Rand Paul s proposal about collective bargaining on free market, would be end of government. Government by definition is rule of few over many, therefore they will never give you chance for any change. I am thinking about creating app, by which you can decide to start collective strike, because the more you strike, the less you work, and the less you work the more money you earn, because price of workers on workers market is higher then. It would be good like on Old West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGh-6rAE_S8

  19. Hey,
    This is an interesting post. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think religious freedom of all kinds is so important, whether it be in America or foreign countries!
    Best,
    Dennis

  20. viva la republica Americana 😉

    1. Chia Cha

      Yeah… Freeeeedoooom yeaaaah… USA, USA, USA… F@™ US is only country where you travel like real man, without harassment of government. See. Free like cowboy. Imagine those countries where some fat blob is touching you and your kid or you have to get your shoes off while you travel on domestic flights. In USA there are not even flight bans, and even you get one you can travel like bird, like cowboy with angel wings. https://www.quora.com/Do-private-jets-go-through-security

  21. Iggy A

    I could have attended a Christian church in the UAE the half-year I lived there. I couldn’t were a cross or similar symbol in Saudi Arabia or meeting with other Christians for fellowship, but by the time I was there, I could order Christian books delivered via Amazon (as long as they weren’t in bulk hinting at distribution)… I heard many years before that, the company I was with almost lost a its first contract in country because an employee had had a Bible discovered at a routine customs search at the airport when they’d been warned not to bring such items. Does that represent “progress”…?

    1. Iggy A

      I’ve lived in Turkey recently and could have located a Christian church, apparently, but none of those near me were of my denomination and likely not in English…

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